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sorry we can talk through it it's just

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so chant had us get chance yeah here

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topic come on so we're just gonna roll

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hello today Ella yeah and good evening

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from Philadelphia Frank here with

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another episode of UFO news network

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Sunday Jan had something come up so

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she's not gonna make it right which

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gives me the opportunity to introduce

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something normally yeah a chant wants to

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do she doesn't want me introducing

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guests but I'm gonna get to do it

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tonight I get to introduce Paul Dean

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back to the show

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becoming a semi-regular here thanks Paul

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for joining us and we want to get

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through this quick but you've got a lot

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of good stuff for us thanks for coming

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back on I appreciate it hi how's it

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going

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everything as you well know yes

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so yeah this was the last-minute one

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I've I had yeah a chant got me two to

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work out a time if I could come on and

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some here we are yeah I appreciate it I

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know well we were kind of blocked up

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over the last couple three days with

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this Admiral Wilson document and I know

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you wanted to make some comment on that

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so I'd love to hear from you on that

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yeah I this this is a very very very

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complex place of record I I've heard

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about this before like years and years

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and years ago and and I you know there's

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nothing else other than you just hear a

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story you know like this there's this

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lengthy record between a scientist and

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an admiral who some people said it was

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Wilson some people said they didn't know

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if it was Wilson and I didn't I never

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thought anything of it at all it's it's

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so vague to me now that but anyway then

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it comes out and and the the the some

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people look everyone's got a different

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reaction like some people are giddy like

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schoolgirls over there some people

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trading it with disdain and everywhere

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in between but one thing that I found I

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started going through it because the

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biggest problem for me was I'm thinking

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was with these notes even if they're

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real with these notes recorded from a

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dictaphone like like it

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the implication that Eric Davis actually

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recorded this this this viral microphone

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or a dictaphone and then later

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transcribed it virtually word-for-word

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put his own comments in like notes like

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abbreviations and so on and that's

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that's one scenario the other scenario

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is that he did it all from memory like

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you know that night or a few days later

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right and that of course would introduce

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problems especially when you've got 15

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pages worth very complex material very

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you know lengthy names lengthy acronyms

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dates and so on and you know the the the

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the implication to me it looks like it

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was done very quickly after the event

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and and hope you know to me it looks

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like it was it seems to have been done

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from a microphone now what all those

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involved or in this now Paul I want to

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jump in here and say if accurate it was

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just somebody concocting something and

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they can do it at their convenience

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whenever they wanted yeah exactly

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exactly so so if it was if it was

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concocted from scratch like like a

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traditional fraudulent record then it

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could take them years now the the the

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the I went through it I've read it

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really well twice now and it is the the

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more the more you read it the more you

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realize how sort of complexities I mean

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there is there is so many names to look

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up you know contractors and various

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directors program managers even you know

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there's remote viewers that are named

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what we it's actually it's it's it's a

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it's a really big job and I you assume

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that that that it mean that the source

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is the implication here has been that

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grand camera and the Canadian researcher

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has had this record for a while and has

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been trying to work on it you would

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think that there he or you know the mr.

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hall that you had on yesterday have done

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some of that I went through it from a

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bit of a different angle I thought I

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said any I've read it properly twice and

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I've already found okay a few pretty big

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problems and I don't know if they're

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just they just sort of - or the clerical

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errors or if they if they imply

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something that would point to Bank

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fraudulent one of them is some

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sevim does a there's a footnote down at

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the bottom it's just a little footnote

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and it and its exact words are Judith

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deli assistant deputy undersecretary of

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without is there's actually no such

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place it's not because the the person

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who wrote this this document has written

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assistant deputy undersecretary of

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deputy assistant and the Secretary of

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Defense they've got the deputy in the

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system the wrong way around and that

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might be okay yeah that seems like it

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could be a reasonable mistake it could

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be the only problem is if you read the

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next bit where it says for advanced

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development ie assistant deputy

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undersecretary for a defense for

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advanced development then you read the

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acronym oh you s dat that doesn't say

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that the advanced development would be

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a T which I think would be advanced

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technology so so so that that whole line

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likely that is just a simple rushed

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error you know like I don't know though

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but it there's more on on page 12 does

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this discrepancy in that in the

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apparently Admiral Wilson was shown the

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bigot list and it says it was several

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pages long right dated early nineties

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the bigot list for this apparent secret

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UFO program was several pages long now

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whatever right but then later just the

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says that there are 400 to 800 names

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listed right in this bigot list now you

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can't fit say 400 five six seven eight

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hundred names you can't fit that on

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several pages like if you can fit 30 or

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40 names on a page it just doesn't add

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hundred names on a page it's gonna be

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it's gonna be mean it's gonna be a

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booklet it's got to be important to you

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other thing is why such the wide range I

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mean 800 is like a hundred percent

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discrepancy that's like a doubling again

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it may not be a problem but

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the the the the I don't know the the

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that doesn't add up to me that will is

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is that is that these purported secret

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program program contractors you know did

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they meet with Wilson at all and I mean

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they weren't military men or even

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government officials but they're private

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contractors so Admiral Wilson can't

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really be ordering them around the you

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he was not on their bigot list fair

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been talking to him or meeting at him

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with him at all now Pete you know you

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the time he was deputy director for the

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DIA he was a four-star Admiral or maybe

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certainly three or four star flag

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officer and he was it was deep deeply

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imbedded within the intelligence and

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security community you would sort of

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think that that that he should have sort

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of like a like he's need to know should

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be there almost no matter what but maybe

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talking to him and and they just felt

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they should look I don't know if someone

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needs to someone needs to be able to ask

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the question of a very senior officer

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you know within your area within your

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realm do you do you know can you can you

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list or the bigoted bigoted list like

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very very very quickly so have access to

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anything now maybe it doesn't look like

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that we've heard of special

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compartmentalized information we've

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heard of stovepipes and si pays we've

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heard of being briefed in and briefed

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out whatever but now I've only got gone

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through this document twice and I've

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already found these problems then and I

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would suspect that there are probably a

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whole bunch more is the don't people

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have even said you know is the document

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real I've got it like as he you know was

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it actually penned by Eric Davis after

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his meeting that I I think it probably

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Israel there's just something about it

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my gut instinct would say it's probably

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probably is a real record not something

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that was cooked up in someone's basement

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for fun yeah okay okay now do you think

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see when I look through it the first

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time what I was looking for was sort of

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the tropes the plot devices

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of known AFOSI disinformation and when

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when I saw the what was listed as a

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Miller's particular interest they didn't

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sound to me like the type of cases that

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somebody in Miller's position would have

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been interested in and that was a key

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question I wanted to ask him right away

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was you know are you interested in these

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cases and he professed a very little

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knowledge were interested at all in the

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Socorro case so that struck me as a bit

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of a red flag because that is a case

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that has been used in past the fuzzy

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disinformation so that's why that was

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the key question I wanted to ask him of

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course I asked him about the letter but

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his answer was you know he couldn't

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remember off the top of his head I

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wouldn't have expected him to that would

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have been a reasonable answer and then

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the way we left our conversations was

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you know is it okay if I follow up with

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you he said fine but that chant wanted

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to follow up the next day and she did

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and she got her questions in and

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basically he went on to say that as well

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he has never had any dealings with any

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kind of recovery DT technology anything

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along those lines so that's where that

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was left but yeah obviously we want to

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get a lot of eyes on this sort of thing

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and get a lot of people looking at it I

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mean when I first off I had no

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reasonable expectation of being able to

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contact Miller and when he returned my

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call I was shocked as I could possibly

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be you know I didn't expect the guy to

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get back to me but here's somebody who's

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really tied in with these documents who

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has actually responded to some questions

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and we're getting nobody else saying

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anything so we don't know exactly where

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it's at to me right now is we've raised

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some legitimate questions what the

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proponents really have to do is you know

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at the very least okay yeah at some

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point in time yeah you're going to have

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to contact Admiral Wilson and you're

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gonna have to find out okay let's say

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this is true he's not gonna say it's

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true he's not gonna say all these things

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actually happened but what you can do is

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you've got to prove that he was in Las

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Vegas on the date if you can't do that

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and you should be able to do that you

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should be able to do that there's a bit

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of a problem with that because Davis

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Davis left his directorship of the DIA

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in

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Wilson Wilson that Davis sorry sorry

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sorry sorry Wilson left Wilson Wilson

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Wilson was relieved of his is his

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directorship like his head honcho

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position of them yeah he's retired at

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the point of the alleged meeting yes so

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so what I was thinking my first reaction

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was actually to was to like to to submit

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it if I request to the DIA for the for

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the for the day-to-day meeting and

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briefing and and and trip records for

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Admiral Wilson and then we'd find out

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you know if it wasn't classified or if

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they could actually even find them

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because there's a little old now this

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stuff if he look like potentially we

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could find out where he was at certain

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times there is there is one other thing

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as for the air for she mentioned

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disinformation there was one thing that

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did jump out at me you'll notice that

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that an Air Force H Marshall Ward I

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think it might be her but I'm not sure

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but it's a it's a it's an H Marshall

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Ward who was a three or four star

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general in the Air Force hey hey he was

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the one that steered will system towards

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office of the undersecretary of Defense

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records das you could say that he was

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steering Wilson away from what I would

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call like like will others other forms

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of UFO information like air force

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generated UFO information so so so so if

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if Wilson had have gone to the Air Force

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general and said I want to talk to you

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about you know UFOs generally the Air

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Force general would would potentially

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steer him towards NORAD like Air Force

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dominated NORAD the Air Force Space

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track system old blue book files

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whatever but but the the the general

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steered him towards Undersecretary of

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defer oh yeah office of the Secretary of

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Defense records and I don't I mean I

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don't think that would may mean that

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much but it's something that just did

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jump out at me now one thing that that

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is that is curious about all this is

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that is how these actually came out now

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I believe that they were on I'm not good

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with these web sites I can't even

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pronounce them but image you or

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something um

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I think I don't know they're not a

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spelling I don't know how to pronounce

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it I didn't even know what I read it is

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but but I know that I think it was yeah

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tracer Tyndall who's a I think of

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researcher in in your neck of the woods

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said that she actually she thought she

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was the first one to find them on that

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imagery will immature whatever it is and

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then other people found them quite

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rapidly on reddit and whatever and I

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know that Keith pastor field has just

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done a blog about sort of like the order

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of how things came out and I'd be I'd be

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really curious to see who actually

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leaked them because all we've got is

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anonymous handles like these these

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anonymous handles of holy who sort of

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put them on the web for the foot

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potentially for the first time and and

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that you know what you want to ask these

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people you know why did we not so much

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when did they leak them or how or what

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but you want to ask them why like what

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purpose and and and you know where they

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told to or they give them permission or

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do they do it from another country on

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another you know like using someone else

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someone else's handled whatever um

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because that potentially could be

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interesting but if you go back all I

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know is look when I read when I read

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this document it is it is quite complex

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and and the big that's just the biggest

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question to me is how accurately was it

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all recorded down because that that

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means everything I mean if there was if

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there's significant errors in there that

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I can't find or no one can find then and

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then we we don't know we just don't know

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how accurate anybody knows but you know

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for the people who say that it's

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probably literally a fake document

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cooked up cooked up by a timothy cooper

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like entity or or or or a bill more type

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into the i don't think that's right i

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think we're looking at something that is

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relatively genuine okay okay

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and when you've looked at for though the

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holes in it are you looking for any kind

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of actionable weeds

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yeah the dimension well well i mean if i

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why with the office of the Secretary of

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Defense and the Joint Chiefs and and the

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under secretaries it is staggeringly

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slow at the moment and and it's just

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sorting in classification I mean even

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look like there are leads as far as

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the the special access specialist access

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program lists those leads with with the

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Undersecretary of advanced technology

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and all the yet the deputy assistant

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record oh sorry I should say deputy

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assistant records say undersecretary of

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advanced technology or if it was

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advanced development whatever the this

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potentially leads here but I mean

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submitting an F oh well I say now in

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what are we the middle of 2019 may not

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generate we're called records if at all

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till 2020 2021 2022 to it you know so so

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it's it's painfully slow and the other

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thing is is the potential for records to

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come out that are just that are just

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covered in black ink as in like very

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significant reduction and the chances of

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that are actually quite high like the

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only thing we've got going for it is

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that is that this is that this is quite

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old and obviously as time goes on

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documents records don't necessarily

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warrants the classification that they

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used to have sometimes what they do

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which is it is a good thing they do this

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a lot with me with NORTHCOM and Stratcom

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the US Strategic Command and Northern

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Command is what they do is they'll

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they'll essentially have release

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completely redacted records or writ

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records so that really the best stuff is

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blacked out but then they'll tell you

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that this document is due for another

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review in eight years or ten years or

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whatever and so they're effectively

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saying you know like this document right

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now is classified you know it's a secret

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but but like it's due for a downgrading

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in a certain time not being an

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instruction or a manual or a pamphlet or

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a a budgetary per piece of budgetary or

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fiscal information line items

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memorandums of understanding command

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directives whatever and that and

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sometimes they'll say I've certainly got

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one US Strategic Command instruction

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that relates to spy surveillance and it

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does say that it is due for downgrading

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from secret to your hope unclassified

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it's due for downgrading I think it was

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2027 so the the there is a possibility

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that the that in the long-term future we

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may get some action on this yeah

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yeah yeah looking at looking at this it

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seems to me again know that somebody has

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basically got to get hold of Wilson and

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that they do you know where you were on

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that such-and-such a date

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whatever the meeting did but memorized

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off the top of my head were you in Vegas

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if he wasn't that presents a real

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problem yeah yeah yeah it does the the

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well I mean has anyone I don't know from

460
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Dan here but has anyone tried do you

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know of anyone who's trying to get on to

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Admiral Wilson like currently I do not

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know it's again this kind of dropped and

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picked up the ball over the weekend we

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were originally talking to Michael about

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him coming on on Sunday and we're

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thinking about doing that but I really

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wanted to follow up and see if I can

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make direct contact with commander

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Wilson and he did return my call Monday

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I just as I was heading out to work so I

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didn't really have a lot of time to chat

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but you know obviously one of the

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opportunity to follow up and then chant

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went ahead and did that yesterday and

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then we did the show with Michael so

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really you know you got a you got to

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take care of business in your normal

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life and haven't had the chance to do

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that too much but you know I also think

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we've raised some pretty fair questions

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and there's a lot of possibilities here

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again that there's some real truth

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behind the docs even if the docs are

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fabricated and that's always a

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possibility and from having looked at

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the old majestic 12 Doc's that's what

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kind of got me interested in this field

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in the first place as you can find

490
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things out there is interesting

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information there even if it's presented

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in sort of a fictionalized scenario that

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are actionable and that are useful and

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that's that why I'm not saying oh I

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debunked these docs and they're useless

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and they're crap I'm not saying I'm

497
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saying just the opposite of that this is

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what we found out so far and keep

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looking you know yeah and then of course

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I had to turn around and get ready and

501
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do this show with you tonight yeah is

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that you know I haven't had a whole lot

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of time but but again you know there's

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other people out there we're not the

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only UFO researchers in the world let

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some other people try to run some of

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this stuff down but as it stands now you

508
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know from looking at that past Nona

509
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Posey fakes yeah they're really well

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research you know and another thing that

511
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I think is important is that it's always

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a lot easier to do your research in this

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day and age with an Internet where you

514
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can generate some names and what their

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positions were and all that it seems to

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me that these documents were generated

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during that time frame as compared to

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when the majestic 12 documents were

519
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generated and that actually required

520
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some real footwork you know doing some

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either going directly to or hiring

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somebody to go to the Truman library and

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find that date when the Forrestal and

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the fellow who started Raytheon Bush met

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with Truman you know that that's kind of

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like a key tie-in to make them seem

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legit again I don't think they are

528
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you're you're on the same page with me

529
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or not on that that way yeah yeah yeah

530
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so a research this stuff pretty well and

531
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when you when you're able to do some

532
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research on the Internet

533
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it makes things a hell of a lot easier

534
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:09,080
to concoct things you know yeah yeah

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it's it just same as we keep coming back

536
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:15,030
to this you know like that these these

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documents that have the difficult

538
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Providence they appear in people's

539
00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:21,120
mailboxes or they appear you know burnt

540
00:22:27,410 --> 00:22:24,860
or they appear on on on websites that

541
00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:27,420
riddled with viruses and stuff like it's

542
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just I don't know like look the bottom

543
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:32,970
line is I think at the end the

544
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:35,640
implication is of course is that is that

545
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:39,000
is is that there is request like you

546
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:41,070
know being retrieved alien hardware

547
00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:43,770
retrieved extra-terrestrial hardware or

548
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:45,390
hardware that's not American anyway and

549
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:47,820
that the trying to reverse engineer it

550
00:22:51,530 --> 00:22:50,130
and so on my prediction is is just like

551
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,540
with everything else in twelve months or

552
00:22:58,030 --> 00:22:54,480
five years time that you know there is

553
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,040
going to be no sudden flooding of

554
00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:00,720
crashed space vehicle technology there's

555
00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:03,390
going to be no outpouring of highly

556
00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:05,160
highly classified records from the under

557
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:07,110
the office of the Secretary of Defense

558
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:09,090
there's going to be no deathbed

559
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:11,970
confession from say Admiral Miller if he

560
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:14,430
happens to pass away there's going to be

561
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:17,490
no New York Times article that the dulse

562
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,690
into the DIA s history there's going to

563
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:23,760
be no successful

564
00:23:28,550 --> 00:23:26,370
if I request that confirm all of this

565
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,560
that's just one of those things yeah but

566
00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:30,840
there's still enough in that document

567
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,960
that there's stuff to follow up on yeah

568
00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:35,880
yeah there's stuff to follow up on

569
00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:39,630
yeah the tapes of tapes to follow up yes

570
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,990
so I don't know I think that it'll twist

571
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:44,580
and turn someone really needs to get on

572
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:46,110
to Admiral Miller I'll suppose I don't

573
00:23:51,020 --> 00:23:47,430
know if he would be taking calls like

574
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:51,030
this I don't know I mean how would you

575
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:54,570
even get on swim Billy Cox might have

576
00:23:59,150 --> 00:23:55,980
the best chance I don't know yeah Billy

577
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,160
wrote an article today where yeah he's

578
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:00,840
that sort of following up on all this

579
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:05,490
and let's see I'm looking at it right

580
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:08,190
now I don't know terribly adds to it he

581
00:24:13,670 --> 00:24:10,170
goes back over his old story because

582
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:13,680
this basically this story came out as a

583
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:16,230
result of a meeting that had that did

584
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,910
happen nobody questions it they happened

585
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:20,100
including Wilson himself from back in

586
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:24,170
the day and it got out that yeah

587
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:27,300
the scenario that's put in print was

588
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:29,190
basically discussed the number of years

589
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:31,770
ago and Cox followed up with him and

590
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,350
Wilson denied it so there was that back

591
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:36,480
at that point but now you know again

592
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:38,340
you've got Wilson in a particular

593
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:41,910
location on a particular day and you

594
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,890
know that that's a lead that's worth

595
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:45,840
following up on it seems to me anyway

596
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:49,610
yeah whether I do it or not I don't know

597
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:52,190
someone do it I don't know

598
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:55,170
all right are we done with this we want

599
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:56,580
to move on to some more knowledge to

600
00:25:00,860 --> 00:24:59,010
offer yeah yeah you got you got some

601
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:00,870
more NORAD stuff since a you are with us

602
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:02,490
last so once you tell us all about that

603
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:06,480
well it's sort of well yeah I do there's

604
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:08,730
there's a I probably should introduce

605
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:12,690
this like this the the the United States

606
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:16,440
Air Force in in an in an operational

607
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:20,070
setting so that's in the field on the

608
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,100
bases in the sky the US Air Force like

609
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:25,380
the members of the US Air Force have to

610
00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:27,330
especially communications off this is

611
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:29,300
base commander's deputy base commander's

612
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:33,060
pilot pilot leads base executive

613
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,220
officers and so on they have to be able

614
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:37,440
to report things up

615
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:39,210
chyna of command and I don't mean things

616
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:41,250
like the results of surveys and audits I

617
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:43,230
don't mean things like you know the

618
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:44,970
missing money I don't mean things like

619
00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:47,340
that I mean stuff that's up to date

620
00:25:55,129 --> 00:25:51,269
happening now such as you know outbreaks

621
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,139
of flu the loss of the loss of actual

622
00:26:00,259 --> 00:25:57,840
material things falling off planes an

623
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:00,269
active shooter they have to be out you

624
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:03,960
know they that they need to evacuate a

625
00:26:07,249 --> 00:26:05,370
base whatever they have to be able to

626
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,259
report things an oncoming hurricane it

627
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:09,120
could be anything and one of the

628
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:10,919
documents one of the pieces of us Bo's

629
00:26:18,919 --> 00:26:14,340
encoded rules or doctrine that lays out

630
00:26:20,749 --> 00:26:18,929
how Air Force bases and how Air Force

631
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:20,759
officers actually report things it's

632
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:22,830
it's a document I mean it's one of a few

633
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,450
but it's there's a there's a good

634
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:26,460
document it's called Air Force

635
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,360
instruction 10 206 and the actual title

636
00:26:38,899 --> 00:26:32,279
of it is called operational reporting

637
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:38,909
and this particular it's it's it's it's

638
00:26:41,899 --> 00:26:40,200
been going for a long time this this

639
00:26:45,379 --> 00:26:41,909
particular piece of doctrines been going

640
00:26:47,629 --> 00:26:45,389
since 1995 I think and it's just gets

641
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,639
amended and updated all the time but the

642
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:50,220
the one of the types of reports and I've

643
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,350
talked about a lot about this before one

644
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:54,179
of the types of reports is called and

645
00:27:00,499 --> 00:26:57,570
I'll prep three and and I'll prep three

646
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:00,509
eat right back even back to the 60s and

647
00:27:04,639 --> 00:27:02,250
I'll prep and especially now and I'll

648
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:04,649
prep three is considered a serious

649
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:07,620
incident or a serious event report and

650
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:10,490
it's kind of like a miscellaneous report

651
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:15,450
well it overall it's it's it's a it

652
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:16,830
certainly used to be like a

653
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:20,570
miscellaneous report for for anything

654
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:22,980
that was developing very very quickly

655
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:25,740
that it was a dire concern to local

656
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:28,200
commanders was potentially going to be

657
00:27:31,999 --> 00:27:30,120
very embarrassing or very costly in

658
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:32,009
terms of lives or financially or

659
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:33,659
whatever and um and you know just to

660
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:35,490
jump in I don't know if you're aware of

661
00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:37,289
this or not but when he had a kevin day

662
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:39,659
on the show I think was very late last

663
00:27:44,299 --> 00:27:42,570
year and he is the radar operator on the

664
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,309
Princeton during their the tic-tac case

665
00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:46,080
he had mentioned that he at least

666
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:49,139
considered filing a prep 3:03 report he

667
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,730
didn't do it but they

668
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,620
thought about it so there's that little

669
00:27:56,659 --> 00:27:55,380
aside there yeah now that would be that

670
00:27:58,580 --> 00:27:56,669
would be that would that would be

671
00:28:01,100 --> 00:27:58,590
actually a pretty good situation either

672
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,110
they're actually the when I say yeah

673
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,880
when I say the Air Force have our prep

674
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,980
throws it's actually all branches of the

675
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:07,200
military now you see I prep three

676
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:09,090
reporting channel it's it's literally a

677
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:12,450
it's it's it's like a it's like an

678
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:14,160
actual reporting channel that that's

679
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,470
already embedded you just simply have to

680
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,640
simply the computer would you would

681
00:28:23,419 --> 00:28:22,320
simply select our prep that's not

682
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:23,429
something you want to do I actually

683
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,360
asked a base executive officer for our

684
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:29,460
Kings Bay Naval Station which I think

685
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:31,049
was it's in Georgia or somewhere like

686
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:33,270
that I actually asked him have you ever

687
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:35,730
sent an opera tree and he said no way

688
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:38,370
and I said and I said why and he said

689
00:28:41,659 --> 00:28:40,169
because you're in a lot of trouble like

690
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:41,669
if you're sending submitting an opera at

691
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,010
three he said look we practice them all

692
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:46,200
the time but we he said I've never

693
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:47,669
personally sent one he said I've never

694
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:51,780
seen one sent and anyway so the oh yeah

695
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:54,450
I I hate to interrupt but also another

696
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,520
little aside I was actually reading an

697
00:29:00,500 --> 00:28:58,500
article about their sexual harassment in

698
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,510
the military and that is a channel for

699
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:02,640
that as well not that anything close to

700
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:06,510
it's kind of a a catch-all for anything

701
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,870
that really needs to get addressed yeah

702
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:11,820
yeah it is it is a catch-all it's

703
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,110
certainly used to be and this is what

704
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:16,200
well the it is a it is a catch-all the

705
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:20,610
the that there is there is actually a

706
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:24,330
number of it was a number of documents

707
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:27,240
that lie lay out the sort of things that

708
00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:29,490
that an opera prey should enclose

709
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:32,070
include and sometimes they're as simple

710
00:29:38,650 --> 00:29:35,940
as anything of major concern to an

711
00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:38,660
installation that requires major command

712
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,070
assistance or reporting and blah blah

713
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:43,320
blah so it is something serious but the

714
00:29:47,299 --> 00:29:45,450
there are different when you get into it

715
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:47,309
there are different categories certainly

716
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:48,840
within the Air Force there are different

717
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:54,030
categories of operatories this does does

718
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:57,450
loss reports those cyberattack reports

719
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:01,140
and so on but the the current Air Force

720
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,250
operational reporting instra

721
00:30:10,690 --> 00:30:07,580
it runs at say 100 pages or whatever it

722
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:10,700
doesn't actually have the doesn't

723
00:30:14,590 --> 00:30:12,050
actually really have the different

724
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:14,600
classes or categories of operatories

725
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:16,520
that can be sent because they are

726
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:19,310
contained you know in like an attachment

727
00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:23,870
like an enclosure document and and we

728
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,880
didn't it's actually called an opera 3

729
00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:27,890
matrix or in the case of the current air

730
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:30,860
force it's called a chief of staff of

731
00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:33,410
the air force op prep 3 reporting matrix

732
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:36,140
and as far as we know no no one no one

733
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:38,630
in the UFO field or just generally has

734
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:42,170
we've had a copy of this particular 15

735
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:44,150
page matrix it just it just lays out all

736
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:46,250
the different types of our prep 3

737
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:48,470
reporting's and sexual I think sexual

738
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,810
harassment is one of them there's active

739
00:30:54,490 --> 00:30:53,120
shooter the cyber attack this emergency

740
00:31:03,430 --> 00:30:54,500
evacuation there's lots of a nuclear

741
00:31:06,130 --> 00:31:03,440
warhead and so on and the the the thing

742
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:06,140
is is that is that if you read the

743
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,450
operatory manual it says that that all

744
00:31:14,260 --> 00:31:10,720
our prep threes have to go to somewhere

745
00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:14,270
called a called the air force service

746
00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,700
watch cell and we hadn't seen that I

747
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:19,190
mean we knew that our prep 3 reports go

748
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:22,370
to the National Military Command Center

749
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:25,010
they go to the nearest major commands

750
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:27,470
they can go to the CIA they can go to

751
00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:29,750
the White House they can go to the

752
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:31,820
numbered Air Force's like 8th Air Force

753
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,510
or 15th Air Force or whatever but we we

754
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:38,240
never really make me and a friend I've

755
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:39,830
got a I've got a colleague in England

756
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:41,450
called David Carmichael we'd sort of

757
00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:44,630
forgotten that that this this Air Force

758
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:48,020
service watch cell actually was on the

759
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,820
distribution list for all Air Force or

760
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:53,120
prep trees so on the let's say I think

761
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,100
it was that yeah it was the 16th of May

762
00:31:58,510 --> 00:31:56,320
2017

763
00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:58,520
my friend David Carmichael he's

764
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:00,350
submitted an FOI request to the

765
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:01,490
headquarters of United States Air Force

766
00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:04,850
for the most recent copy or one that I'm

767
00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:06,800
quoting here the most recent copy or one

768
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:09,320
that is deemed releasable of the of the

769
00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:11,330
chief of staff of the Air Force opera

770
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:13,040
preparatory reports matrix

771
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:15,320
anyway nine months later it was the end

772
00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:16,430
of February

773
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:17,720
David Carmichael

774
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:19,520
finally got an answer he got a reply

775
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:22,090
from the Secretary of the Air Force and

776
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:24,710
they actually said that's fine you can

777
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:27,080
have a copy it's unclassified and her

778
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:28,970
exact words were in response to if I

779
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:31,100
were a request for the Chief of Air

780
00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:32,930
Staff operatory reports matrix the Air

781
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:35,240
Force is based on information operations

782
00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:37,490
area Air Force watch so determined that

783
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:39,860
the attached documents to be responsive

784
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:43,520
to your request and so out comes a 15

785
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,120
page list essentially a huge table of

786
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:50,960
the types of these very serious reports

787
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:52,670
that can be sent and like I said there's

788
00:32:59,290 --> 00:32:55,400
everything in there a loss of nuclear

789
00:33:02,170 --> 00:32:59,300
war a warhead a sudden disruption to

790
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:02,180
electrical activity on a base and then

791
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:06,050
curiously on page on page I think was

792
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:08,990
page 9 there was there was two

793
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:11,060
categories or subcategories of our prep

794
00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:14,660
3 that I looked at them and and all we

795
00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:16,520
both looked at them and there is

796
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:19,550
absolutely no question that both of them

797
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:21,770
could generate UFO reports and in fact

798
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:25,010
the second one is particularly likely

799
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,680
and in the past the same wording was

800
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:29,600
used and actually was used for you if I

801
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:32,690
reports it was the 8th so I'll go

802
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:34,610
through the first one it's it's it's

803
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:37,070
rule or it's operatory category is 9

804
00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:39,830
beep and it's called the title of it is

805
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,860
called unauthorized vehicle military

806
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:44,870
installation airspace violation or

807
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:48,980
intrusion and it actually says that the

808
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:50,930
description of this particular operatory

809
00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:53,890
for commanders it says any confirmed

810
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:56,420
unauthorized civilians small unmanned

811
00:34:01,030 --> 00:33:58,490
aircraft system remotely piloted

812
00:34:02,850 --> 00:34:01,040
aircraft unmanned aerial vehicle gyro

813
00:34:05,050 --> 00:34:02,860
copter or similar car aircraft

814
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:05,060
positioned over any Department of

815
00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:07,490
Defense mission activity facility asset

816
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:10,190
installation ships convoys etc the

817
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:11,750
report will include at minimum

818
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:14,780
description of aerial object or device

819
00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:17,570
the color of it identifying markings

820
00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:21,260
actual size manufacturer distance from

821
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:24,260
observer blah blah blah goes on then it

822
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,950
says also as applicable any event such

823
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,560
as an exercise and inspection etc

824
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:32,720
that was in progress at the time of the

825
00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:35,360
reported observation finally it says

826
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:38,659
note units will send initial operatory

827
00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:40,970
report to Air Force service watch cell

828
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:44,500
within one hour of confirmed you a

829
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:47,720
sighting and final report report if

830
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:49,790
applicable within three hours after the

831
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:52,490
event or incident so here you've got

832
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:54,409
it's quite obvious what this is for this

833
00:35:00,910 --> 00:34:57,010
is this is for pesky drones or

834
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:00,920
threatening unmanned aerial systems that

835
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:02,690
are hovering over bases hovering near

836
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:05,090
planes taking on and off now they could

837
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:06,740
be completely innocuous just a bunch of

838
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:08,210
a bunch of kids playing with a remote

839
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:10,910
control plane right through to a serious

840
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:15,050
open like foreign or terrorist actions

841
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:17,960
to take photographs of a sensitive base

842
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:20,570
or over fly to disrupt the flights or

843
00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:22,460
jam communications or listening in on

844
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:25,100
communications not now that's fine

845
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:26,450
that's probably what it is for though

846
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:28,610
there's nothing about this that screams

847
00:35:34,450 --> 00:35:30,910
at me that it's a secret you know a

848
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:34,460
little channel to report UFO sightings

849
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:37,700
however imagine you're on a base or

850
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:39,890
you're near a convoy of of Air Force

851
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:42,350
trucks or you're near as some sort of

852
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:44,330
Air Force installation or a rocket range

853
00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:47,990
or whatever and it's sunset and there's

854
00:35:50,590 --> 00:35:49,160
something in the sky you know you

855
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:50,600
immediately think well it's making a

856
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:52,100
little bit of noise it's not applying

857
00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:54,230
whatever you reported as an opera tree

858
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:55,640
you don't actually know what it is I

859
00:36:00,160 --> 00:35:58,610
mean if if obviously if it's got if it's

860
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:00,170
got rotors on it and it's got some

861
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:02,330
markings and a camera it's obviously a

862
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:05,990
giant a drone but what my contention is

863
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:09,490
is that this this type of report could

864
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:12,740
generate UFO sightings especially if the

865
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:14,780
if the report is sent up the chain of

866
00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:16,910
command to the Air Force Service watch

867
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:18,680
so very rapidly if everything's done in

868
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:21,380
a hurry you know there could be if you

869
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:22,910
look if you if we were able to go

870
00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:24,710
through all these opera trees that could

871
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:27,950
be a some really serious UFO reports in

872
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:30,590
there so that's the first one that I

873
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:32,900
found but the next one is actually quite

874
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,320
a bit more important it's rule code is

875
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:39,200
nine F and it's it's description is

876
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:42,350
vital intelligence sightings slash Intel

877
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:43,050
reports

878
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:47,810
and it's descriptor says a any or all

879
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:50,610
unidentifiable suspicious or hostile

880
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,180
traffic that means land aerospace or sea

881
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:56,700
which because of its nature course or

882
00:37:00,980 --> 00:36:58,770
actions may constitute a threat to

883
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:00,990
security of the US and Canada

884
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:04,500
include a includes reports from airborne

885
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:07,860
platforms the significant air receipt of

886
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:09,840
significant intelligence received

887
00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:12,450
through other Intel channels now the

888
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:13,860
wording of this is really interesting

889
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:15,690
the title which is vital intelligence

890
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:18,870
sightings and Intel reports it matches a

891
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:20,570
very old

892
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:27,000
that has been around since 1954 and

893
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:29,850
that's the old service reporting and the

894
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:33,480
old service reporting of course it stood

895
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,830
for the communications you'd think I'd

896
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:39,660
know this the communications

897
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:42,360
instructions for reporting of vital

898
00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:45,060
intelligence sightings that's exactly

899
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,670
what was is in the current operatory

900
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:49,380
matrix so so what I'm saying is from

901
00:37:56,090 --> 00:37:52,970
from really 1954 well into the 80s

902
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:56,100
America and Canada promulgated a manual

903
00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:57,780
called Joan upon for six and it had

904
00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:00,510
within it these service reporting's for

905
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:01,980
pilots and other members of the Armed

906
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,920
Forces to report so-called vital

907
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,560
intelligence sightings and they included

908
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:09,300
but right back in the doctrine back then

909
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:10,410
in the in the rulebook

910
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,690
they included missiles anything

911
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:13,980
threatening the United States in the

912
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:16,230
form of like bombers or suspicious air

913
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,510
air contrails submarines but right in

914
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:20,460
there traditionally has always been the

915
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:23,730
word UFO unidentified flying objects so

916
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:27,060
we're seeing not only the title of this

917
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:31,110
current 2017 era or prep three matrix

918
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,090
we're seeing the term vital intelligence

919
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:36,060
sightings now and this this that exact

920
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:39,000
term goes back to the traditional UFO or

921
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:41,250
unknown object reporting procedures of

922
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:46,200
the past and the because so listeners I

923
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:47,430
mean this is a this is a bit of a

924
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:50,310
footnote but service reporting the

925
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:51,690
traditional service reporting was

926
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,940
actually removed

927
00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:55,280
from Air Force operational reporting

928
00:39:01,090 --> 00:38:59,180
doctrine in 2011 and and it appears that

929
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:01,100
simply moved it simply moved to the

930
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:04,130
operat three report matrix which has

931
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:06,770
been an article that we've only just

932
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:09,530
like I was saying if I want now so this

933
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,760
is this is really interesting so

934
00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:13,040
obviously the only the thing we can do

935
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:15,260
from here is which is what I did

936
00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:18,650
straightaway is the smart thing to do

937
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:20,660
was obviously the the Air Force service

938
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:22,220
watch cell at headquarters Air Force

939
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:23,570
which is part of the National Military

940
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:26,420
Command Center they receive all our prep

941
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,370
threes from all Air Force installations

942
00:39:34,090 --> 00:39:31,280
and communication systems and so my

943
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:34,100
first thing to do was to I mean

944
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:35,450
obviously if they've got these two

945
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:37,250
categories of our prep threes which

946
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:40,070
which Parsifal unidentified things and

947
00:39:44,260 --> 00:39:41,990
identified intelligence sightings weird

948
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:44,270
stuff that flies whatever above bases or

949
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:46,220
near planes or whatever my first thing

950
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:49,610
was to immediately ask the Air Force for

951
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:51,530
copies of any operat threats that have

952
00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:53,900
been reported like that and so what I

953
00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:55,580
actually wrote I mean it's pretty

954
00:40:00,040 --> 00:39:58,310
long-winded but I wrote who I submitted

955
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:00,050
an FOI request to headquarters US Air

956
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,810
Force for and I quote electronic or hard

957
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:04,670
copy records of ah prep three reports

958
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:06,650
submitted from the field bases

959
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:09,590
commanders etc to or through the Air

960
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:11,810
Force service watch so this cell may now

961
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:13,970
be known as Air Force watch because I

962
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:15,530
think I sort of the name had change and

963
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:17,630
then I've written but either way it is

964
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:20,150
the local where incoming operat 3s come

965
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:22,970
in blah blah blah and I've asked for any

966
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:26,270
any any nine B or 9 F category or prep

967
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:28,660
threes that would include keywords like

968
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:31,160
unidentified aircraft UFO unusually

969
00:40:36,070 --> 00:40:34,310
aircraft low-flying aircraft etc so and

970
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:36,080
again with foi it could be two years

971
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,730
before we get an answer maybe a whole

972
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:40,720
lot of documents will come out yeah okay

973
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:45,110
and so let me ask you this the

974
00:40:49,330 --> 00:40:47,210
unidentified shows come out now you're

975
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:49,340
down in Australia so have you had a

976
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:50,870
chance to watch it yet the first couple

977
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:55,070
of episodes okay there is a way there is

978
00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:57,290
a way we can watch it okay it's a little

979
00:41:01,330 --> 00:40:59,780
it's a little bit jumpy I think it comes

980
00:41:02,140 --> 00:41:01,340
through a service from somewhere in

981
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,150
Eastern Europe

982
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:04,880
it's obviously not legitimate but you

983
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:07,050
know I I just

984
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,520
have I have seen the first two episodes

985
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:11,040
and um yeah you know they could that you

986
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,590
know there's so many documentary series

987
00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:16,260
or individual documentaries or or

988
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:18,600
whatever that have royally screwed up

989
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:20,570
and missed the boat they've quoted

990
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,410
completely superseded people or the

991
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,960
people who are a little marginal or

992
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:30,300
whatever but this this one is is is

993
00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:33,810
actually compared to most of the of the

994
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:34,860
stuff that's come out in the last

995
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:36,840
whatever years and the unidentified

996
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:39,000
series is actually pretty good I think

997
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,380
to their credit they're actually trying

998
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,000
to do something very different it's

999
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:44,880
something that that individually no UFO

1000
00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:46,620
research could have done I mean that

1001
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:49,620
like like it to do to do what they've

1002
00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:52,500
done in a reasonable quick time is is

1003
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:54,030
really good they're approaching this

1004
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:55,380
from a slightly different angle and

1005
00:42:00,740 --> 00:41:58,170
obviously when the Navy are involved and

1006
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:00,750
when current not just retired but

1007
00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:04,800
current naval serving officers are

1008
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,360
involved that's that's a very very

1009
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:08,400
serious break from from the standard

1010
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:11,570
fair I mean most UFO documentaries a

1011
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:15,240
people that left military commands or

1012
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:16,530
left the aviation community

1013
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:19,890
you know 10 20 30 years ago and we've

1014
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:21,450
got a situation where we're current

1015
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:23,970
people or very recently retired people

1016
00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:28,650
who are sort of somewhat unpolluted you

1017
00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:32,340
know the the they've been quoted and and

1018
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:34,230
I and I think that the people involved

1019
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:37,410
are actually quite truthful I mean

1020
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:38,910
there's a lot of ads and there's a lot

1021
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:41,220
of driving around and pictures of Tom's

1022
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:44,210
along with his rock shirts rucksack on I

1023
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:47,790
mean it's a show I mean this there's an

1024
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:49,830
element of they can't just bombard

1025
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:51,690
especially for listeners who are

1026
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:53,790
seriously they know very very little

1027
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,650
about the UFO topic they know obviously

1028
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:57,690
just going to be able to bombard people

1029
00:43:01,810 --> 00:42:59,910
with with military witness after

1030
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:01,820
military witnesses and images of

1031
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,320
documents and and pictures of a Pentagon

1032
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:06,960
you can't just do that for non-stop but

1033
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:09,690
I I think overall it's actually pretty

1034
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:11,850
good I I'm not a very good person at

1035
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:13,950
reviewing this sort of stuff I I know

1036
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:15,810
that there's there's people who will

1037
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:17,070
look at this completely differently from

1038
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:19,170
I and and I'm down here you know like

1039
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:20,520
it's a little harder

1040
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:22,619
um but yeah I have sight have you have

1041
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:24,060
you had a chance to watch it oh sure

1042
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:26,070
absolutely I watched a couple of men now

1043
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,570
one point I want to make because I was a

1044
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:29,520
little critical of this in the second

1045
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:31,470
episode where there was a little bit of

1046
00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:33,930
a road trip to Catalina Island I thought

1047
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,360
well what's the point of this but I'm

1048
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:38,280
told that there's gonna be a little bit

1049
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,950
of a payoff to all that in the next

1050
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:43,440
episode so we will see on Friday night

1051
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,750
and I guess you'll see whatever you get

1052
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:47,520
around to it but yeah I'll be watching

1053
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:49,560
it alive so of course I'm all over it

1054
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,510
absolutely yeah yeah yes so far so good

1055
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:54,060
I mean it's great to see it's a great to

1056
00:43:58,700 --> 00:43:55,800
see yet guys we've had here on the show

1057
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:58,710
while talking to Lou Elizondo and Tom

1058
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:02,160
DeLonge and so far I've been into it you

1059
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:04,020
know and there haven't been any real

1060
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:06,270
great revelations and getting to see the

1061
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:10,020
lady pilot on the first show was really

1062
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:11,670
unexpected it was a nice little cool for

1063
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:13,710
them because the word had always been

1064
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:15,900
that she was never gonna come forward in

1065
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,150
any way shape or form he doesn't exactly

1066
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:20,520
come forward but you know going on

1067
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:22,320
camera and doing that interview it was

1068
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:24,360
it was quite a little coup for them it

1069
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,790
was very effective so yes so far so good

1070
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:29,220
a mom like in the show and the nice

1071
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:31,230
thing about it is they're not gonna be

1072
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,670
able to go they're just not gonna have

1073
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:35,280
the time to go into the you know sort of

1074
00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:37,830
the insane geek detail that we all want

1075
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:39,840
you know so that gives us a lot of

1076
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,609
opportunity to sort of dig in and work

1077
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:43,859
around the margins and gin up some new

1078
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,460
stuff yeah yeah um I can I do know

1079
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:49,859
something laws I think this is right but

1080
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:53,240
I do believe that in future episodes

1081
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:56,570
that's one of Lou Ellis on those

1082
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:00,900
subordinates is going to be on right

1083
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:02,850
that's something that's completely new

1084
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:07,050
I'm also now with the with the we

1085
00:45:12,859 --> 00:45:08,990
through witnesses to the so-called

1086
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:12,869
2014-15 Atlantic Coast events I know

1087
00:45:20,570 --> 00:45:18,030
that that that one of the one of the the

1088
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:20,580
people on last week or the week that the

1089
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,170
episode that just passed episode 2 and

1090
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:25,140
who's been quoted in the media are

1091
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:27,390
currently me his name but graves is one

1092
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:32,430
of them anyways now III haven't been

1093
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:34,250
able to ascertain his hey Stiles

1094
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:35,930
actually serving with United States Navy

1095
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:38,030
I believe so I can look that up pretty

1096
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:40,130
quick but I believe he used to active

1097
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,120
yep and that's that's I was told I was

1098
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:46,640
told actually some time ago that they

1099
00:45:50,650 --> 00:45:48,470
will be sir that they will be featuring

1100
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:50,660
actual active duty people and that that

1101
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:52,790
certainly is I mean how many times can

1102
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,250
you go back through history and actually

1103
00:46:00,220 --> 00:45:58,160
see documentaries where where where a

1104
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:00,230
serving member of say the Federal

1105
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:02,090
Aviation Administration or an airport or

1106
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:04,330
or indeed a military officer or or

1107
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:06,710
staffer is actually interviewed allowed

1108
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:09,080
to be interviewed comfortably and given

1109
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:11,090
some time to talk I mean you go right

1110
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:13,010
back to say the Washington so-called

1111
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:15,770
Washington overflights of 52 when when L

1112
00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:18,590
shop and and repent and various others

1113
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:21,590
were were seen you know on TV that's

1114
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:23,600
that's one of the only times I really

1115
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,340
can't think of many occasions where

1116
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:28,400
where a serving member of the Armed

1117
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Forces or the intelligence community or

1118
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:33,290
the aviation community has been has been

1119
00:46:39,310 --> 00:46:36,710
put on camera and and they've been

1120
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:39,320
apparently completely fine with it it's

1121
00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:41,210
just not something that's it's that

1122
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,400
seems to be done very often so I thought

1123
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:44,720
that was pretty good yeah

1124
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:47,630
Steve Bassett was on with us last a

1125
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:51,200
couple weeks ago now and going back and

1126
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:53,810
forth with him a little bit it seems

1127
00:46:59,380 --> 00:46:55,700
obvious to me there's there's an inside

1128
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,390
team that the the TTS a still has you

1129
00:47:02,830 --> 00:47:01,280
know they've obviously got contact still

1130
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:02,840
on the inside obviously and they're

1131
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:04,280
they're getting a lot of this stuff done

1132
00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:07,760
that way is that is that about your view

1133
00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:09,140
on things or you have different

1134
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:11,840
absolutely no absolutely does I do know

1135
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:14,420
that well I mean I know as best as I can

1136
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:19,040
that that the the TTS a group and any

1137
00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:23,180
interest of parties like say congressmen

1138
00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:26,180
or senators retired senators or whatever

1139
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:28,820
are working actively within the

1140
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:32,480
Department of Defense and and maybe

1141
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:34,130
maybe even the aviation community maybe

1142
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:36,620
with the Secretary of the Navy they

1143
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:38,630
there are there are certainly people

1144
00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:41,480
absolutely right now at Admiral level or

1145
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:43,670
captain level or or current congressman

1146
00:47:48,110 --> 00:47:45,950
who are showing an interest in this who

1147
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,120
have actually given this some time

1148
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:50,280
there is that you think if you think

1149
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:53,390
what's been done already say in 2017

1150
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:57,510
2016 2018 from John Podesta to Tom

1151
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:01,500
DeLonge to elizondo's retirement to the

1152
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,050
involvement with Bigelow to Senator Reid

1153
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:06,960
to whatever there's been I mean that's

1154
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,060
all stuff that we had no idea about and

1155
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:11,940
and so you can only assume I mean that

1156
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:13,830
this would just not stop I mean

1157
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:16,710
obviously right now the it's very safe

1158
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:18,630
and I do know so it's best like Hannah

1159
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:21,720
it's very safe to assume that that it's

1160
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,220
it's actually probably growing I mean

1161
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:25,380
there is no way they are going to have

1162
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:28,440
active naval personnel plus the New York

1163
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:30,270
Times article and the Politico articles

1164
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:31,860
and every other article in the news

1165
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:35,040
there is no way that that the Navy

1166
00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:37,350
internally and not discussing this issue

1167
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:41,070
with with interested parties and be they

1168
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:44,730
T TSA or senators or congressmen or you

1169
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:46,890
know inspector generals or I don't know

1170
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,840
how you say this but adjunct generals I

1171
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,540
don't know if that's the right word yeah

1172
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:53,760
so I think it's all I think it's all

1173
00:48:59,090 --> 00:48:56,430
mostly very pop you know positive and it

1174
00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:59,100
seems to be very Navy centric and not

1175
00:49:00,890 --> 00:49:00,330
too much from the Air Force you have any

1176
00:49:08,770 --> 00:49:00,900
thoughts on that

1177
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:08,780
yeah I do the Air Force the Air Force a

1178
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:12,420
deafening by their silence um even even

1179
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:14,610
the army but but particularly the Air

1180
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:17,820
Force um I I this is my personal view

1181
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:21,180
from from 20 years of study and 20 years

1182
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,390
of reading Declassified or publicly

1183
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,040
available information from aviation

1184
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:28,560
journals or military journals or thesis

1185
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:30,870
dissertations you'd be amazed what is

1186
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:33,150
found in thesis dissertations from like

1187
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:35,790
the air university or various air

1188
00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:39,240
institutes even a Naval War College

1189
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:41,580
whatever you'd be amazed what you can

1190
00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:43,950
actually find in people's educational

1191
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:46,350
output so thesis as master's thesis is

1192
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:48,990
the test test results that's the thing

1193
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:51,990
and the Air Force personally to me I

1194
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:55,530
think that the best so-called UFO data

1195
00:50:01,850 --> 00:49:59,520
or certainly data on unknown or stray or

1196
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:01,860
or unexpected or unidentifiable

1197
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:04,170
after all aircraft the best data is

1198
00:50:09,830 --> 00:50:06,630
housed with North American Aerospace

1199
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:09,840
Defense Command within their various

1200
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:12,210
combat operations cells within their

1201
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:15,270
what they call the NORAD j33 sea area

1202
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:17,880
which is the NORAD's Directorate of

1203
00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:20,190
operations aerospace operations airspace

1204
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:21,840
management branch

1205
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:25,800
NORAD's interagency liaison cells with

1206
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:28,440
the Federal Aviation Administration then

1207
00:50:34,580 --> 00:50:32,130
the Air Force Base commands 21st space

1208
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:34,590
wings 21st operations were a data from

1209
00:50:38,780 --> 00:50:35,670
the ballistic missile early warning

1210
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:38,790
system so much of this this say radar

1211
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:41,580
data and an optical camera data goes

1212
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:44,250
back to either United States Air Force

1213
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:47,190
or it goes back to NORAD dominated Air

1214
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,080
Force because NORAD is mostly staff by

1215
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,480
air forces they mostly by air force

1216
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:52,980
officers I should say and were Adam

1217
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:56,250
mostly they they work mostly in

1218
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:57,690
conjunction with the Air Force it's the

1219
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,820
Air Force that's scramble jets for

1220
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:02,280
unknown objects through NORAD NORAD

1221
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Victor Victor the jets in to the unknown

1222
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,450
object but it's seen on States Air Force

1223
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,040
are actually flying the planes that sort

1224
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:10,500
of relationship is why I call Nora and

1225
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:14,220
the you know an Air Force dominated and

1226
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:18,300
and that that is where that is obviously

1227
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:19,200
where some of the most sensitive

1228
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,110
real-time data is is stored or analyzed

1229
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,480
that is where it's no secret that the

1230
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:25,980
Air Force have had a very very long

1231
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:28,590
history of UFO involvement more so than

1232
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:30,990
say the Army or the Marine Corps even

1233
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:32,610
the Navy more so than I believe the

1234
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:35,430
intelligence community it's it's to me

1235
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:36,930
it's Air Force all the way that's just

1236
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,090
like me oh okay and yeah just asking you

1237
00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:41,460
to speculate widely based on your 20

1238
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:44,790
years experience what what I'm thinking

1239
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:47,370
is maybe this is kind of a a slow roll

1240
00:51:51,730 --> 00:51:50,190
out and the reason that the Navy is sort

1241
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,740
of upfront at the moment is because

1242
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,720
their information is fewer and further

1243
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:56,880
between than the Air Force and if the

1244
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:58,260
Air Force came out and did essentially

1245
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,420
what the Navy is doing now I mean all

1246
00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:03,000
hell would break loose yeah you know I

1247
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,100
don't know I don't know i yeah if the

1248
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:10,380
Air Force I think it would be far more

1249
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:12,690
impactful if the Air Force came out with

1250
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:15,690
even even just a significant number of

1251
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:18,930
of modern-day pilot sightings forget all

1252
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:20,579
the NORAD space tracking data and

1253
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:23,579
aerospace alike detection aerospace

1254
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:25,950
warning data forget all the radar tracks

1255
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:28,680
right our tract files the weird the

1256
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:30,660
weird you know sightings by Air Force

1257
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:32,750
part sorry the weird the weird

1258
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:36,480
displays they have of stuff that if the

1259
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,810
F was just alone started talking openly

1260
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:42,960
about pilot sightings I think that that

1261
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:45,480
would be it would be a it would be very

1262
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:47,460
very tough for some generals to stomach

1263
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:53,760
I I just I don't know I wish I wish we

1264
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:57,540
had more inside information I guess you

1265
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:01,710
could say yeah we all do but well think

1266
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:03,180
that one of the one of the one of the

1267
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:04,770
the one of the people I respect most in

1268
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:08,430
ufology is is a guy called Barry

1269
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:11,579
Greenwood who's in Boston and he's only

1270
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:16,980
watching Game seven of the final he will

1271
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:18,690
be he will be and he'll have this he'll

1272
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:20,220
be listening to me this talk right now

1273
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,460
but on the side but he um he said

1274
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:25,200
something me incredibly to me incredibly

1275
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:27,750
insightful once he for those who don't

1276
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,390
know Barry is an archivist he's been

1277
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:32,220
store he's certainly got we think

1278
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:34,260
certainly the largest individual for

1279
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:35,849
like for one person in their home the

1280
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,250
largest collection of UFO material in

1281
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:40,740
the world it's only dwarfed by places

1282
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,210
like the Center for UFO studies that

1283
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:44,940
kuvasz in Chicago and so on but but

1284
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:48,180
Barry Barry has has hey Barry famously

1285
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:50,730
wrote a book in not an early fall with a

1286
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:52,680
co-author Lawrence force of called clear

1287
00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:56,520
intent he published over 50 newsletters

1288
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:58,560
under the name Just Cause which slowly

1289
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:00,780
get dealt with government UFO

1290
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:04,470
information and Barry Barry his berries

1291
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:06,599
I think 67 now and he's been doing this

1292
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:08,910
since his 20s and he's very objective

1293
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:09,900
he's very quiet

1294
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,849
he's very sensible and he said to me

1295
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,339
once he said to me this topic moves

1296
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,920
incredibly slowly and I said oh yeah

1297
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:19,140
that's nice whatever and then he says he

1298
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:21,690
said he said he said I'll put it another

1299
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:27,270
way said slow defines the UFO topic slow

1300
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:29,240
defiance a UFO topic and

1301
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:32,270
seem that the the things are you know

1302
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:33,830
you have to wait twenty years before a

1303
00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:35,540
particular pilot comes forward you have

1304
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:37,700
Nora who are fifty years before some

1305
00:54:43,060 --> 00:54:40,060
document is redacted you have to wait

1306
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:43,070
fifteen years before some news newspaper

1307
00:54:47,859 --> 00:54:45,890
some old newspaper goes online from the

1308
00:54:50,350 --> 00:54:47,869
50s to get some newspaper article you

1309
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:50,360
desperately want you you know that it is

1310
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:52,850
it is you know even just to scan things

1311
00:54:58,450 --> 00:54:55,790
like Barry and others scan documents and

1312
00:55:00,250 --> 00:54:58,460
all record some newspaper articles ship

1313
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:00,260
logs whatever and even that is

1314
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:01,970
incredibly slow and the Internet has

1315
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:03,710
spent everything up and that's fine but

1316
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:06,350
we're still dealing with with a mismatch

1317
00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:08,420
of of different ideas and different

1318
00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:10,580
opinions and anecdotes and facts and

1319
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:14,030
opinions and and yes so I mean even some

1320
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:16,040
people take ten years to publish their

1321
00:55:21,609 --> 00:55:19,220
one and only UFO book so this is not a

1322
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:21,619
dynamic it's it's better now but it's

1323
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,510
not what you call a very dynamic topic

1324
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,280
yeah I was gonna say it is better now

1325
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:26,720
because things aren't picking up I know

1326
00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:28,820
I can't keep up with it all I can't so

1327
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:32,420
and that's good it's good it keeps me

1328
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:34,940
out of trouble and gives lots of people

1329
00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:37,220
lots of things to do and I know you're

1330
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:39,740
one of those guys anything hot you're

1331
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:41,030
working on right at the moment you can

1332
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:45,530
share a little bit about so this is

1333
00:55:51,609 --> 00:55:48,920
really bizarre so there's there's the

1334
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:51,619
United States Air Force the 21st

1335
00:55:57,820 --> 00:55:55,609
Operations Group they run a a a there

1336
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,830
are three bases three bases around the

1337
00:56:01,660 --> 00:55:59,359
world that they have control over and

1338
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:01,670
ones in Alaska ones in Greenland and

1339
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:04,130
ones actually in England and they are

1340
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:06,050
they form something called the ballistic

1341
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:08,300
missile early warning system or B news

1342
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:11,030
and the job of the ballistic missile

1343
00:56:17,859 --> 00:56:14,390
early warning system is to is to it

1344
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:17,869
constantly scans the sky for submarine

1345
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:19,700
launch you know the implication is

1346
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:22,130
Russian maybe China is but they

1347
00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:26,570
constantly scan out into space across

1348
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,760
the north across the polls and announce

1349
00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:30,980
the Atlantic and so on they they scan

1350
00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:32,600
the skies for submarine launched

1351
00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:34,700
ballistic missiles intercontinental

1352
00:56:39,849 --> 00:56:37,460
ballistic missiles and they've got that

1353
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:39,859
this the secondary mission of these

1354
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:41,970
sites is is low Earth's

1355
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:44,369
surveillance so tracking lower sampled

1356
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:46,830
satellites up to 600 cows into space so

1357
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,090
they've really got two missions but

1358
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:51,119
anyway the the facility that one of it

1359
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:52,770
like I said there's three ballistic

1360
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:54,690
missile early warning system centers one

1361
00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:57,630
is in England at Caen Yorkshire and it's

1362
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,490
called filing Dales it's called RAF

1363
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:01,680
filing Dale's Royal Air Force filing

1364
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:04,710
Dales and though the rules and and what

1365
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:06,690
they do is governed by the US Air Force

1366
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:09,510
it's actually manned by the air like

1367
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:14,280
English Airmen it's manned by sorry it's

1368
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:16,290
it's it's it's sort of administered by

1369
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:17,910
the English it's on British land so it's

1370
00:57:24,260 --> 00:57:20,700
very much I a joint or combined effort

1371
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:24,270
anyway I as part of a slightly wider

1372
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:27,480
effort I actually sent a freight will I

1373
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:29,670
sent a Freedom of Information request to

1374
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:32,550
the British Ministry of Defence for I'd

1375
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:35,510
say a day like a day's worth of

1376
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:39,150
uncorrelated or unknown track data like

1377
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:41,400
basically I wanted potentially I've seen

1378
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:43,260
this sort of data from before from the

1379
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,690
other sites or from other similar sites

1380
00:57:51,849 --> 00:57:47,640
in America so I essentially asked them

1381
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:51,859
for tabulated data or alert data of any

1382
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:54,570
unknown objects or aircraft or whatever

1383
00:57:59,900 --> 00:57:57,839
that the huge radar system and filing

1384
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,910
dials picked up saying in a 24 hour

1385
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:02,400
period in any random 24 hour period and

1386
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:04,950
I didn't mention UFOs I didn't even

1387
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:07,170
necessarily mention unknown objects I

1388
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:08,700
actually use their terms like

1389
00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:11,700
uncorrelated targets and and an airborne

1390
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:13,950
alerts and so on and they came back to

1391
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:15,720
me and they said that you know we've

1392
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:17,369
accepted UFO our request

1393
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,500
bear in mind this is an international

1394
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:20,640
effort we're gonna have to go to the

1395
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:22,200
Americans this is gonna be very slow

1396
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,630
blah blah blah blah blah and they said

1397
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:25,920
that there's an enormous amount of data

1398
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,990
even for one day's worth of data they

1399
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,520
must pick up every raindrop and

1400
00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:31,380
everything in space and whatever heard

1401
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:33,630
anyway they came back to me and in one

1402
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:35,070
of the lines it's quite funny I'm not

1403
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,750
reading anything into this but it's it's

1404
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:38,940
just a funny little anecdote in one of

1405
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:40,490
the lines just in that very first

1406
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:43,170
acknowledgement of my FOI request the

1407
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:46,230
the officer in Britain said something I

1408
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,280
haven't got it in front of me but

1409
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:50,040
something along the lines of bear in

1410
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:53,250
mind the British Ministry of Defence

1411
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:55,410
does not have any opinion

1412
00:59:01,400 --> 00:58:59,099
on extraterrestrial activities in area

1413
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:01,410
space or anything about UFOs from an

1414
00:59:05,059 --> 00:59:03,210
extraterrestrial angle or whatever it

1415
00:59:07,279 --> 00:59:05,069
said so even in their first letter

1416
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:07,289
they've automatically assumed that on

1417
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:09,690
the UFO above well they were right about

1418
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:12,930
that will they write about I didn't ask

1419
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,670
I didn't use Ryland but in their very

1420
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:19,680
phone I was asking them essentially four

1421
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,200
four four missile were warning data like

1422
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:24,660
actual track data for a day uncorrelated

1423
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,460
space surveillance data whatever a

1424
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,559
satellite warning space warning data

1425
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:30,119
anything that they picked up in the form

1426
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:32,010
of moving aircraft whatever that's what

1427
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,900
I'm using their terms that's in open

1428
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:35,880
doctrine like in on their websites and

1429
00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:37,530
so on I'm using their turns I'm not

1430
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:39,750
saying anything about ATT and then

1431
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:41,190
they've come back to me very first also

1432
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:42,900
certainly definitely I think it might

1433
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:44,250
have been the second acknowledgement but

1434
00:59:47,539 --> 00:59:45,480
it was certainly the first or second

1435
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:47,549
acknowledgment they said to me bear in

1436
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:49,619
mind we don't do extraterrestrials we

1437
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:51,930
don't do classic UFOs and that was I'm

1438
00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:54,690
just reading his thinking just jump to a

1439
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:56,220
massive either they're hiding something

1440
00:59:59,180 --> 00:59:57,480
which I you know it wouldn't be that

1441
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:59,190
obvious that wouldn't be that silly or

1442
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:00,839
they've they've just jumped to that

1443
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:02,250
conclusion because they've had so many

1444
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,410
people come some before or the other

1445
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:05,760
potential is that they've looked me up

1446
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:09,690
and just by curiosity right maybe Google

1447
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:16,799
paul-dean UFO yeah he's our guy I mean I

1448
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:18,510
dunno because there was subsequent there

1449
01:00:21,019 --> 01:00:19,980
was this is what I'm gonna write my next

1450
01:00:22,579 --> 01:00:21,029
blog about because there was very

1451
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,589
significant communications I actually

1452
01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:24,960
fought the emoji for two years for this

1453
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:26,460
data and I'm actually I could actually

1454
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:28,710
revisit that now and keep fighting or

1455
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:30,359
I'd have to I'd have to actually go to

1456
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:32,250
the Americans jointly as words really

1457
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,930
complex and it's just not worth it

1458
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,339
they're not gonna release they're not

1459
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:37,319
they're simply not gonna release alert

1460
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:39,569
and missile and uncorrelated target data

1461
01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:41,910
from such a sensitive site I mean even

1462
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:44,369
even the raft filing gaol site which

1463
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:46,470
raffling does consumes 20 million pounds

1464
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,319
a year from the British an unclassified

1465
01:00:53,420 --> 01:00:51,119
amount of money from the Americans

1466
01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,430
it's an incredibly sensitive site it's

1467
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:55,559
an absolute Tier one new killer target

1468
01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:58,049
from for Russia it's it's it's it's

1469
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,359
absolutely sodden with security measures

1470
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:02,880
right even the filing nails website is

1471
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:05,220
literally like new reader and it's just

1472
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:07,020
like two minutes to read it's not there

1473
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:08,760
is nothing there and the only the only

1474
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:09,200
bit

1475
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:10,369
information you can get about filing

1476
01:01:14,859 --> 01:01:12,290
Dale's real most of it dates back to the

1477
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:14,869
80s 70s 60s 50s when it when it was

1478
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:18,380
being built and so so it's obviously a

1479
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:20,450
super it's obviously an absolute like

1480
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:22,070
it's a jewel in the crown of missile

1481
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:23,420
defense and space warning there was no

1482
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,060
question about that the the I mean even

1483
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:28,880
even in classified NORAD histories that

1484
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:30,890
mentioned filing dolls is literally only

1485
01:01:34,810 --> 01:01:32,750
one or two sentences when when other

1486
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:34,820
sites they talk you know for two hours

1487
01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:37,730
or you know two pages or twenty pages

1488
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:40,369
about very sensitive radar so it's this

1489
01:01:44,770 --> 01:01:43,490
thing barely gets mentioned so so

1490
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:44,780
they're obviously not gonna release

1491
01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:46,730
anything that's current but it was

1492
01:01:52,359 --> 01:01:49,880
certainly an experiment yeah got it so

1493
01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:52,369
there you go alrighty so I got anything

1494
01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:54,380
else for us or you want to wrap up or

1495
01:02:01,870 --> 01:01:59,390
Frost I don't know I've got types of

1496
01:02:04,270 --> 01:02:01,880
blogs coming out about with freedom

1497
01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:04,280
knives there's just slow burn and stuff

1498
01:02:10,089 --> 01:02:07,700
I can tell you one thing I mentioned

1499
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:10,099
before Barry Greenwood published Heymann

1500
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:11,000
others

1501
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:13,130
Larry Brian Todd Circle etc they

1502
01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:16,089
published a newsletter called Just Cause

1503
01:02:22,660 --> 01:02:18,760
newsletter and it went from it went from

1504
01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:22,670
1977 to 1996 I think and there were 72

1505
01:02:27,849 --> 01:02:24,920
editions over overall and Barry was

1506
01:02:29,319 --> 01:02:27,859
involved in publishing the about 50 of

1507
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:29,329
them he was a sub-editor sort of thing

1508
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:33,829
and anyway here's a tidbit one of those

1509
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,569
editions well I think it was like

1510
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:37,760
edition it might have been edition four

1511
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:39,170
or six or something like that

1512
01:02:44,770 --> 01:02:42,290
it was the NSA the National Security

1513
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:44,780
Agency actually obtained a copy of it

1514
01:02:51,460 --> 01:02:47,690
and internally they classified a

1515
01:02:54,190 --> 01:02:51,470
top-secret no [\h__\h] so imagine a public

1516
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:54,200
newsletter that's sent sent to 200

1517
01:02:56,980 --> 01:02:54,890
readers

1518
01:02:58,420 --> 01:02:56,990
it's a private newsletter it's as if I

1519
01:03:00,640 --> 01:02:58,430
dropped a newsletter together and send

1520
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:00,650
it to my friends what the NSA got a copy

1521
01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:03,160
and they actually working with the FBI

1522
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:06,020
so the FBI and the NSA jointly got a

1523
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:09,290
copy of a just cause edition and they

1524
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,910
they considered that it had within it

1525
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:15,680
information that was considered and I

1526
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:17,380
quote top secret and I've actually got

1527
01:03:22,510 --> 01:03:21,530
actual FBI I've got two pages of FBI

1528
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:22,520
material

1529
01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:28,880
from 1970 I that actually silent at a

1530
01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:33,230
guy bury his Bruins who down to zip

1531
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:34,520
right at the moment but a little bit

1532
01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:36,530
more than halfway through the game so he

1533
01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:39,140
might he might be having a long tough

1534
01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:41,540
night but now he's is berry still

1535
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:43,070
working the fields or is a yeah pretty

1536
01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:44,660
much backed away or he's a still out

1537
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:46,580
there doing all right all right

1538
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,530
so Paul it was a great having you on

1539
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:50,960
again and you know we will be in touch

1540
01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:54,170
and obviously a lot going on and you

1541
01:03:58,330 --> 01:03:55,790
never know what's going to come up next

1542
01:04:00,600 --> 01:03:58,340
just never know so if he knows it's a

1543
01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:00,610
grindstone and I appreciate it and

1544
01:04:05,710 --> 01:04:03,590
everybody thanks for listening next show

1545
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:05,720
that we've got on the schedule Steve

1546
01:04:09,370 --> 01:04:07,250
Bassett is gonna be back on with a

1547
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:09,380
Sunday and we've got quite a few other

1548
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:11,150
things lined up but I'll have to go look

1549
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:13,250
him up I can't remember them all but

1550
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:14,840
Steve had some technical difficulties

1551
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:16,550
last Sunday and wasn't able to make it

1552
01:04:22,270 --> 01:04:19,220
so we'll have him on Sunday and I know

1553
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:22,280
he's got a lot more drama more craziness

1554
01:04:26,350 --> 01:04:24,410
and hopefully some good stuff in there